Koni insert into mcpherson strut video

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNZCnUYtzo&feature=youtube_gdata_playerJust something i found a long time ago but forgot to share. The princaple stay the same fot our strut. Quick and easy i must saw, its just to let the local Koni agent understand what inserts i need. Idiot!!! If yiu go on the international website they have a io insert. Enjoy

Cheers 4 eers

Sold: Pajero IO 1.6 3 door

75mm lift

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I have try to found out the reference as well as some specification, max and min length, but I stop looking, doing other things... One info I found was that the strut diameter needs to be 51mm or over to fit, see bellow.  I have talk to Ed but he was unable to give me any specification. Glen may have some more....

I think that they are not cheap, but the quality is great, and be able to adjust them is a fantastic option.

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Subject: K014 - RE: Inquiry for Koni Shock Absorbers

Your reference no. is K014
Please quote this number in email and phone enquiries.

Claude
Thank you for your enquiry. We can supply front Konis to suit your
vehicle. They are $516/pr delivered.
Note: They will not fit into 50mm - need to be 51mm O.D. or larger
We can arrange fitting at Belconnen.
To order, or discuss further, please phone us on 1800 807 176.
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Ok this I found of the worldwide Koni website. As you can see underneath the spec that it will fit into the original KYB struts only.

The number I got when I bought my KYB front struts was 33442 (Std) & 334405 (Lifted strut). Looking at those numbers I dont know if the numbers given to me was incorrect???

 

Cheers 4 eers

Sold: Pajero IO 1.6 3 door

75mm lift

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You may be confusing KYB after market numbers with OEM numbers

The 33442 number is missing a digit, but that and the 334405 number are KYB numbers - by the way - they are both standard, just for different years of production.

The MR319792 & MR455401 numbers are Mitsubishi numbers, again for different years - as far as I have been able to determine the KYB 334405 is a replacement for the MR455401 which is a 99 & later part.

See the strut data thread for more information.

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MR455401 was the Mitsubishi lower-pan front struts fitted to my 99 5 door, I replaced them with KYB334405 which is KYB's aftermarket part number for the later higher-pan strut (identical in all other respects to 455401). If KYB make an aftermarket direct replacement of MR455401, I don't know what that part number would be.

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koni ref number ??

Old thread....

As anyone have the koni reference number for the front strut insert ?

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Oooooookkkkkkkkk

the ome reference is ONLY due to the id of the shock tube. Call your koni distributor and they can tell you the diameter (outside) that should give you the correct inside diameter of the doner strut. I looked at doing this but at $500 each I went for kyb cheapies.

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If I cannot find a reference number that is what I may end up doing....I don't think that they cost that much...$500 each seems a bit high, maybe for the pair.

If I want to have a front bar with a winch, I will have to improve the strut, I have damaged a couple of bump stop as it is (even with the new strut), so I am looking at option....maybe just some new kingspring....

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Thanks to "Skinman"  the reference for the koni insert should be 8640-1459 and I was told that they are rebound adjustable only.  A bit cheaper than expected on ebay at $549 for the pair....tempting to try them out.....

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/291188026538

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koni insert don't fit !!

I have been looking at doing some Koni insert for my car. The Koni insert reference 8640-1459, as mentioned by other and Koni, is listed for the io. I gutted the old strut from my wrecked io and I have been in contact with the ebay seller above. Before buying, he send me the measurement of the Koni insert. All sizes matched but the outside diameter of the Koni insert is 45.2 mm, and sadly the inside diameter of my strut is about 44.3mm....

Doesn't fit....you got to love the io.

Maybe the io have different outside diameter strut ...too small.

Bugger :) At least this time I noticed before buying the parts !!

Can maybe some of you could measure the outside diameter of they strut, to compare and see if some are bigger than other ?? Thanks

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I have measured all the strut I have and they are all 51 mm in diameter. If someone from Europe or outside Australia could check their, maybe if someone have the lower spring plate could check too. It will be interesting to see if someone find more than 51 mm.

One sure thing is that the one with 51 mm cannot take this insert.

Hope to hear from yousmiley

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Going from memory here ...

I have this recollection that the Koni inserts will only fit certain iO struts, and they specify either the part numbers that they fit, or the part numbers that they won't fit - and if I'm not mistaken, that information is in a thread somewhere on this forum.

Edit...

The Koni website says "excluding KYB-OEM No. MR319792 & MR455401" so check your part numbers, if those are what you have, see if you can find one that isn't one of those and measure it.

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Thanks Fordem for your input.

The part number on that strut is MR 992092. I read somewhere that it need to be at least 51 mm outside diameter to fit, this one is 51 mm....

Maybe with a bit of luck we will find one type that fit.

Thanks again

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OK,

 

when I spoke to the koni guy he said they make them in a variety of sizes based on GUESSWORK on generic strut sizes.

 

he said if my strut ID was too small they could build one with a smaller OD - given the io strut insterts would be a custom fitment.

 

 

personnaly i'd be trying to get the mazda tribute koni insert into an io hanger......

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Thanks Bob. Do you have his contact ? I might call him and get a quote.

I will look into the mazda tribute insert.

This fitting was done, it will be nice to find with what strut.

Happy io

 

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Bob, you wrote

personnaly i'd be trying to get the mazda tribute koni insert into an io hanger.

Good idea but :(

I have found 2 Koni insert  for the Tribute one is 70 mm, the other 55mm...won't fit in the io strut ! (44.3mm). I am sure that one original io strut do work but I don't know which one. Maybe the older version with the spring plate lower ???

I have just seen an io with these strut for sale in Canberra, I will go and check the OD of the strut in the next few days.

I am going to search for the Outlander strut size as well.

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i'm going to work on

i'm going to work on modifying a tribute strut to fit.

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I spoke to the koni rep in hobart - runs a rally production company - he DOES NOT like or want to talk about modifying or customising road vehicle suspension.

Autocraft.

 

otherwise call each of the state reps with the issue,http://www.toperformance.com.au/distrib_fs.html

 

 

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They don't like or want to talk about modifying suspension,  because there is way too much responsability for them....but as long as I have an insert that fit or a strut that will take their insert, I am happy.... I have send them an email about the problem.

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I was looking around at

I was looking around at forums, of other 4wds with macpherson struts, to see if there were any measurements of their struts or inserts.

On a nissan pathfinder forum there was a thread about koni inserts.
http://www.nissanpathfinders.net/forum/topic/34238-koni-strut-inserts/

There was another thread about adding longer springs without changing the shocks, that I thought was interesting.
http://www.nissanpathfinders.net/forum/topic/34718-shock-internals-and-t...

I checked a koni site for the part number
of the strut insert mentioned in the thread above.

I couldn't find any dimensions for the strut but a comment on the pathfinder forum about camry shocks piqued my interest.

I looked up the koni part number for camry shocks and then checked for the dimensions.

According to the website i was looking at, the koni camry front shock insert, part no. 8610-1421, has a extended length of 608mm , a compressed length of 425mm and a diameter of 43mm.

I checked these dimensions against the inserts apparently for the pajero io, which are extended length of 593mm and a compressed length of 424mm.

It is mentioned in a previous post that the inside diameter of the pajero io strut is 44mm.
Hopefully it will fit, but even if the camry strut insert doesn't fit, there is bound to be a strut insert that koni already make that does.

Matt

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Thanks Matt yes,

I will do a bit more searching on the camry insert. Yes you are right about the fact that an insert should fit the io. I am trying to work on that but it takes a bit of time but something will come up.....even sooner with some helper like you :)

Thanks

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Hi friends, what about this

Hi friends, what about this theme?

This is the reference numbers:

Mitsubishi Pajero Pajero Pinin (iO) (4WD) - Heavy Track, 98-04

  • 8640-1459 
    Front

     

    Front: for original APA-KYB struts only - excl. KYB OEM no. MR319792 & MR455401

  • 8040-1321 
    Rear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And this is a perfect video.

https://

 

Really this not work whit my strut low pan version??? (334442  MR455401)

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No.

First - the Koni heavy track insert does not fit into the OEM low pan struts - the internal diameter of the struts is too small - second - you will still have the problem with limited strut travel - and three - the height of the strut pan, will still limit the size of the tire that can be fitted.

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ok.and what happend with

ok.

and what happend with MR353742? with original mitsubishi strut must work!

Master watch again the video, and then in the 2:50 minutes i can cut just a bit, just the necesary to take off the stem. then i can get +40mm for my ironman travel.(I can put a small piece inside the strut to raise the koni and screw)

Tyre size yes... no way

 

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Lamping wrote:

ok.

and what happend with MR353742? with original mitsubishi strut must work!

Master watch again the video, and then in the 2:50 minutes i can cut just a bit, just the necesary to take off the stem. then i can get +40mm for my ironman travel.(I can put a small piece inside the strut to raise the koni and screw)

Tyre size yes... no way

 

The Koni insert doesn't fit on the Australia strut, the body is too small, some strut in Europe do work, if the tube of your strut is over 51 mm, yes it may work, if it is 50.8 mm....sorry but no luck !!

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well, MR353742 original strut

well, MR353742 original strut , 51mm, as Claude said. koni works perfectly. 

I have found in Europe by 500EUR 4 koni heavy track shock absorbers.

i think this not bad price, and  with  ironman springs can work good.

About more travel on front strut, 40 mm nylon piece in the bottom of koni must be perfect!

whats masters opinions?

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Look a second time ...

Claude doesn't say it works perfectly - you have to measure it to find out, by measuring the strut diameter, if it will work - at this point I know of no one who has fitted the Koni inserts to an iO without cutting & welding the strut.

Regarding the pricing - I paid just under USD$500 for the OME struts & shocks that are on my Grand Vitara, and I would not hesitate to pay that for OME struts & shocks for the iO, primarily because OME sells shocks & struts valved to match the springs that they also sell.

This is quite a bit different to what you're trying to do - match a Koni insert with, at this time, unknown travel; to a strut with, at this time, unknown diameter; a Koni shock with, at this time, unknown travel, and then match that combination to your Ironman springs - it's your money, but, I'm kind of reluctant to spend that much without being certain that it will do what I want.

By the way - the MR353742 cross references to the KYB334442 (low pan) strut - so I already know it's not going to do what I want.

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fordem wrote:

Claude doesn't say it works perfectly - 

Correct, sorry if I wasn't clear, it has to be OVER 51 mm to work, so 51 mm DO NOT work...For the koni strut to fit it as to be probably around 52/53/54 mm. 

Koni made that insert based on ONE io model, that was in Europe, Mitsubishi at that time (in Europe) had some body strut a bit bigger and sadly it is not the most common size (none in Australia) before moving to a cheaper size (2 inches, 50.8 mm) and koni didn't bother to design something that fit the narrower tube (50.8 or 50.8+paint =51mm). I had one of my strut send to a koni specialist and that was his explanation.

This said, I was offered to have them custom made for my strut, I didn't want to go that way, but they can do it. Instead of having an insert fitted they offered to make a "wet fitting" basically rebuilt my strut with some koni gear.

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Fordem,believe me, my strut
Fordem,believe me, my strut MR353742 measuring 51 mm. 
Here in Spain I know (online) a guy who has mounted koni in a original MR353742. and they work perfect.(and koni not excl. this reference, i think koni manufactured this shocks for this model reference, not others)
According to seems kyb (low pan) and the original mitsubishi io strut are not exactly equal in diameter, this is the problem.

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What could happen is that the insert you find in Europe is maybe another than the one we have in Australia. In Australia, the one we found (listed for the io ) definitely doesn't fit the 50.8 mm (51mm) strut. 

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As I said before ...

It's your money, it's your choice, you're the one taking the risks.

Claude had an ebay seller measure the Koni 8640-1459 insert at 45.2mm outer diameter (OD), he & I have both measured the OEM struts that we have at 44mm internal diameter (ID) - if I'm correct his strut was "high pan", mine was "low pan", and both the parts that Koni says it doesn't fit are "low pan", which suggests that it should have been able to fit his.

If you do purchase the Koni shocks & inserts please measure the open & closed lengths and also the outer diameter and length of the inserts lower body and post them to the forum so that they can be included in the strut data thread - please also include the part number and ID & OD of the strut you put them in.

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Good morning Mr. Duarte Aventin,

 

Thank you very much for your interest in our shock absorbers.

The damper 8640 1459 can only be used in the original APA-KYB-strut excluding KYB-numbers MR319792 & MR455401.

We offer special McPherson insers for sealed struts, bolted to the bottom after cutting the housing and removal of original inner parts.

As requested we are sending you attached the drawing of shock absorber no. 8640 1459

 

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Thanks a lot!

Just one more thing, look at the image, and tell me this dimension please!

 

 

 

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Thanks much

All you need to do now is measure the internal diameter of your struts.

I'm travelling so not in a position to compare the length of the body to the OEM struts, but, at a glance, travel is the same as the OEM strut I measured, so, assuming the insert can fit your struts and be positioned to suit your needs, it is one solution to your droop problem, and you have the added advantage of it being adjustable (on the rebound).

I found a picture in the "strut thread" showing strut dimensions - the body of the strut is shown as 378mm, 4mm longer than the insert (374mm) - what this essentially means is you cannot place a 40mm spacer below the insert - which takes us back to something that I think was mentioned in a different thread - cut the strut tube below the pan and weld a section of pipe into it - this would solve two problems - the space to the strut pan also repositioning the rest position to the center of travel.

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10mm more on the strut will give a bit more than 10 mm droop on the wheel. I cannot see the last picture, but under isn't written that the diameter is 45mm ? or is there something more in German that I missed ?

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Sorry Claude

That was a mistake on my part - the travel is actually the same - 169mm.

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yes claude koni said 45mm

yes claude koni said 45mm diameter,only 2 pictures. the other is a hotmail icon.(copy and paste).

thanks to MATT NP PAJERO  for this link.

http://www.nissanpathfinders.net/forum/topic/34238-koni-strut-inserts/

 In the last video that i uploaded,someone can write who the koni mechanic said between 5:15 minutes and 5:25?

https://

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Don't use impact tools when tightening

He says that only hand tools should be used when tightening the nut on the insert.

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More curiosity than anything else...

Any one know if that 45mm is actual diameter or the required internal diameter for the 8640*1459 insert?

Here's where I'm coming from - the insert has a number of raised bumps near the top that locate the top of the insert in the strut tube - if the 45mm is the required internal diameter and the actual diameter is less, it might be possible to fit the insert by taking half a millimetre or so off of the wall thickness (which I estimate at 3mm) near the top of the strut tube.

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thanks for traslate.I cant

thanks for traslate.

I cant check the dimension with my hands right now. maybe in few days. but is a fact that with original strut MR353742 koni insert work perfect.

Calculation test.(just a test)

45mm diameter front koni shock.

51mm external diameter of MR353742

wall thickness 1.5mm 

51-3= 48 internal diameter   ;    48-45=3mm    ;    raised bumps 1mm left, 1mm right=2mm    ;    3mm-2mm=1mm ..... calibers errorrisa

 

About strut KYB 334405, what external/iternal diameter?  Claude or Fordem,  you know it?

 if 334405 and 334442 have the same diameter... koni said EXCLUDED!!

  (MR455401  = kyb334442 = kyb334813(Europe)  as i saw in this forum)

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wall thickness

The 334405 is 50.8 mm outside diameter

The wall thickness on my old strut were more than 1.5mm but I just don't remember what it was and it has been throw away since. Since you seems to have different parts than us (in Australia) and clearly different finding, I don't know....

All my finding tell me that the 50.8mm (51mm) strut cannot take the koni insert. The only thing that make me not 100% that you will fail is that this mod have been done by people on the Greek forum....and it worked.....but I haven't found any reference number or info on the strut used. 

Maybe try to find an old strut at a wrecker to test or just go ahead I guess....

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I'm a couple of thousand miles from my car...

Unfortunately I'm not in a position to make any measurements, but, if you still need them in two weeks time I can get you the external diameter of both the 334442 & 334405 struts - I measured the internal diameter of the MR319792 (which is equivalent to the 334442 strut) as 44mm, I did not measure the external diameter or the wall thickness and I tossed the struts after cutting them apart.

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Just so you understand...

Lamping wrote:

(MR455401  = kyb334442 = kyb334813(Europe)  as i saw in this forum)

I was the person who wrote that - all it means is that KYB sells the 334813 and the 3344422 as replacements for the MR455401 - it does not mean they are identical in every respect.

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